Now that the organizations that were leading the charge against the progressives have joined hands with them to push this proposal it is unlikely there are the votes to defeat it even if there was a will and a leader to fight it. Respectfully, I must differ. Comment by Ron on January 18, 2020 at 11:05 am. I feel leaving The United Methodist Church would be hypocritical when, for over 30 years, I have welcomed members into God’s church by asking them to take a vow to be loyal to The United Methodist Church and support it. At least not Methodists. We are merely paying the bills! As a practical matter, do you really think that those traditional clergy who stay will do it so they can advance in the hierarchy? The United Methodist Church, ... the 2020 General Conference of the church — such conferences are held every four years — will need to approve the plan. I think the question is should there be someone over the Bishops? Embracing the “world” is not embracing Him. From the orthodox view this is stupid. Progressives are well-intentioned but self-righteous wreckers. And they haven’t been leaving because they thought the clergy were being oppressed or that the faith was too rigid and hateful. This contradicts all those scary fictions in the comment sections. Whoever mentioned that traditionalists are tired is absolutely correct. Comment by Margaret Ingram on January 19, 2020 at 11:55 am. In the Episcopal Church and other denominations, theological divides over same-sex marriage have led to courtroom battles over church property and assets. Conservatives (AKA Traditionalists) weary more easily. David Pawson, a great Bible teacher, said it best….”the church follows the world, 15 yearse behind”. Comment by Gary Bebop on January 18, 2020 at 2:18 pm. So… clergy make a covenant and have a conscience, but laity do not? Local Church Options. The progressives will fight to the death about an agenda. For each of us, agreement with our church on a particular issue may be essential to our ongoing participation, and as a pastor, I’ll respect any church member who comes to that point on this or another issue. Otherwise, the next whim such as sanctuary or climate radicals will split the denomination again and again. Much to do about nothing! New Hymnals, new Bible interpretation— no thank you. We know when enough is enough. Welcome to our Fall 2020 Auction. Conservative leaders met at Clearbranch church on Jan. 25, 2020, to discuss a United Methodist split. (Yes, they will eventually answer to God for their shepherding. Don’t view this simply as a schism or dissolution. Comment by Wayne on January 17, 2020 at 8:27 pm. Must and must not will also apply to individual churches. I no longer go to a United Methodist Church- my tithe is now at Westside Family Church. The most common criticism I have heard of the agreement is that traditionalists are leaving The United Methodist Church, rather than it being an equal separation. I’m repeating God’s Word. Repent is to turn away from your sin. With all due respect to those involved in this proposal, and Mr. Feinberg, this proposal should die for now. Comment by John Smith on January 16, 2020 at 2:56 pm. Comment by JR on January 17, 2020 at 8:34 am. Speaking of vows, I feel leaving The United Methodist Church would be hypocritical when, for over 30 years, I have welcomed members into God’s church by asking them to take a vow to be loyal to The United Methodist Church and support it. Comment by Tommye Jordan on January 17, 2020 at 9:20 pm. In a divorce, these include things like the house, the cars, the dog, the kids, and the money. The work of IRD is made possible by your generous contributions. P.O. Comment by John Smith on January 29, 2020 at 5:38 am, Hmm, to the Bishops he might say: “”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! Comment by Ted on January 28, 2020 at 12:47 am. But if he would have only studied the scriptures of the Old Testament (since New Testament was being written before his very eyes) perhaps he could have seen the Truth standing in front of him. after that time,” declares the Lord. And we hold theological and moral stances that are not merely at odds, but mutually exclusive. Better than lament about the good stuff we had to abandon to the Egyptians. for the traditionalists to continue to fight and have any chance of changing the institution, many things would have to change. United Methodists didn’t like abortion but were okay with it. Comment by Tom N on January 24, 2020 at 4:40 pm. Watch our video! I will be their God, I no longer go to a United Methodist Church- my tithe is now at Westside Family Church. Comment by Edith L. Parker on January 25, 2020 at 7:54 am. And the GC should require each member church to vote at an all-church conference that is held on-site with full church notification. Since the United Methodist Church continues to be divided, they came to the realization a formal separation agreement was needed and in early January 2020 the UMC announced the Protocol of Reconciliation & Grace through Separation. That can position them as the “remain” group and the traditionalists as the “leaving” group. There is no doctrinal enforcement mechanism. It literally is putting the ever changing will of man’s culture as superior to that of the creator. Born at the same time as the United States of America — in fact founded because of the American Revolution — today’s United Methodist Church has fallen prey to forces similar to those confronting American democracy. The falling away from doctrine. Jesus attacked the church establishment and instituted the new covenant and a new religion, Christianity fulfilling the promise of Jeremiah 31. Maybe this is God shaking out those who are disobedient and unfaithful to His Word, separating the wheat from the chaff, by creating this “new” form of Methodism (flushing out the true and faithful believers). Will they continue to “resist” as elders in an orthodox, but financially secure denomination? it’s worth it. The problem in the UMC has been theology and that is not a ground for secular intervention. Yes, a slippery slope. It’s not just happening in our denomination but in all denominations. Feb. 17, 2020 | ARAB, Ala – A few weeks ago, hundreds of North Alabama Methodists who consider themselves traditional, orthodox, and conservative met at Clearbranch UMC to talk about splitting from The United Methodist Church. The boards and agencies? And let me reiterate- local umc churches have no history or experience of debating or determining the theology of their church. God is in control. For example, who would have thought when abortion was first proposed in the 1970’s that today a woman would be able to kill her son or daughter in the womb up to the moment of birth or that two men or two women would be able to marry and raise children? Rogelio V. Solis/AP Show More Show Less 18 of 18 Choir member Ron Garry joins others in an opening song during First Sunday service at Anderson United Methodist Church, Dec. 6, 2020… Comment by Sad forthe UMC on January 21, 2020 at 1:04 am. Love is the real question. I dont want any one to go to hell so turn from your abominations. I want to say clearly to you that you do not have to fully agree with your denomination to be a part of it. UM Voices contributors represent only themselves and not IRD/UMAction. Once approved, local Methodist Churches could decide to stay within the denomination, become … Some of the Pope’s comments & actions have been…odd? 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel I come to my beliefs, I believe, sincerely after contemplating my traditions, experiences, reason, and scripture. It is so far off the ‘path’. People in small churches have great democratic traditions, after all. The Catholic Church has a lot of “additional” beliefs that I’m not ready to add — but, as the author noted, one doesn’t have to be in complete agreement with one’s church to be a part of tht church. This allowed the progressives to frame the fight as one about compassion, care, etc of the outcast (LGBTQ+). The truth must be told and stood on. Will the new denomination learn? Members of the Proud Boys set fire to a Black Lives Matter banner from Asbury United Methodist Church in Washington, Dec. 12, 2020. It is a much better to argue that this is the only deal that the rule breakers will agree to than try to comvince people that this is s good deal. This single sentence explains why we are where we are as a denomination today. “I will put my law in their minds 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, At least the Catholic Church speaks with authority and doesn’t leave everything up to a general conference or the vote of the local church. There’s one thing that has been consistently bothering me and maybe someone can clarify. If they wish not to vote, their church stays with their annual conference without a vote. So, no thanks. Were there gay members? The deceived, fringe element should not become the UMC. It’s also important to remember that traditionalists are conceding what they never had:  United Methodism’s bureaucracy. We are governed by conferencing, not by a hierarchical ladder. That church building has been there since the early 1800s, if I remember correctly. How to take sin so softly; if it makes you happy just do it. Found one last week and we just didn’t sit close to each other . Comment by Traditional Methodist Woman on January 20, 2020 at 12:31 pm. But there is one huge difference in my friends than most homosexuals. Comment by Should I Stay or should I Go? I struck up a cordial conversation with the lot attendant. this statement: “For laity: The single issue of same-sex marriage has been raised to such a level that as a church member, you may feel that you must go to a church that aligns with your personal beliefs. not have any part of this club! However, the basic issue really seems to be that our leadership is not letting God be in control. We are a community of faith committed to Christ, seeking to learn the needs of our members, friends and neighbors, and responding with Christian love. Her 3 son is gay and to be married. But like most of the people who sit in the pew, I feel helpless to fight the hierarchy. Dale Coulter’s excellent article on the Methodist experiment’s failure details the problems with this. So far, most proposals have the progressives and institutionalists retaining most UMC assets. But if there’s a discernable traditional element, the church may want that vote taken. We have (at least) two parties who have been sharing assets, and we’re about to stop sharing. No central United Methodist body keeps track of how many congregations disaffiliate from the denomination. One of them may be the default position for churches or conferences that don’t actively decide with which new denomination they’ll align. 84 W Main St. Ripley, New York 14775 - 716-736-3090 - 10008 Sherman-North East Rd. Do not capitulate to the bullies. They have miserably failed the laity. It is just a disease?? The “faithful” are not currently in charge of the UMC. Local churches would be able to choose whether they want to stay in the United Methodist Church or join a new denomination. 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